In a thread thread titled "Burton Custom for $215" (
http://tinyurl.com/46buw5), bernwern points to a good deal on the Burton Custom board and says "I hate Burton and feel they reguritate the same crap every year and sell it mostly based upon marketing and brand recognition....but I know several on here liked this board and thought I would share."
A few posts later Snowride asked: "What's wrong with Burton? I have had a Burton Feel Good for a few years and it gives a really good ride. I love my Palmer the best, but I have several boards, and can't say anything bad about my Burton!"
That lead to the thread you are now reading.
I've now expanded my own thoughts on the matter, which I've put into a post on the Grays on Trays blog (
www.graysontrays.com). The link to the specific post is
http://graysontrays.com/blog/2008/05/bo ... urton.html. You'll miss the links if you don't go there, but if you're willing to put up with that, I've pasted the post below. I'm not calling for anything militant, and not even an outright boycott. I take some Burton stuff (tools, a leash) with me every time I'm on the mountain, so I think of the "boycott" as more of a preference for everyone else.
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Is Burton good for snowboarding? It's a matter for debate in any number of discussion forums, including one for ski and snowboard instructors. For the last several months I've been toying with the idea of writing a brief article explaining my dislike of the company. In short, it has done some good, but it also promotes an image of riding that is bad for the sport--or at least bad for mature riders.
To quote a member of the Grays on Trays discussion forum,
Snowboarding is a sport, and one to be enjoyed, not to see who can dress more "gangsta."
I try to avoid buying from brands promoting such crap. Burton is the biggest offender, go so far as to put a d*** "spinner" in one of last year's boards.
Yeah, that's one reason to avoid Burton. But friend, I'll see you and raise you one gangsta: Avoid Burton because it encourages riders to violate property rights.
From the Associated Press (December 2007):
Burton lays down a $5,000 snowboard poaching challenge. ... BURLINGTON, Vt. -- Burton Snowboards is challenging snowboarders to go where they're not wanted, offering a $5,000 bounty for the best video of those who take to the slopes at "elitist, fascist" ski resorts that don't allow snowboarding.
"Poaching isn't simply a peaceful form of protest. It's truly your patriotic duty," the snowboard maker says on its Web site.
Complete and utter nonsense, even if it is great marketing. Patriotism means love of country, and the good that it stands for. In the case of the U.S., that includes a respect for private property. Yet here's Burton, calling for people to go where they're not wanted.
Ever hear of live and let live? Apparently not.
Jake Burton is lauded by some for taking a "pure" approach to snowboarding by not selling his company for the multimillions it would fetch. But comments such as those above--echoed by too many riders--are off-base. For one thing, they're incredibly offensive to victims of real fascism, who have been denied life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
There's also a strange sense of justice in the "we're going to ride wherever we want to" campaign. Says Mr. Burton:
"For 25 years we've been working to open resorts and we couldn't have done it without the involvement of local riders. I don't think that our job is done, so you can snowboard everywhere. ... Mountains can be brutally cruel but they're not discriminatory. I don't think any resort is entitled to be discriminatory based on what's on your feet."
Of course "mountains" do not "discriminate," since they're not moral actors. But what of the people who spend millions of dollars to install lifts? Certainly they ought to be able to have some say over what people carry onto those lifts, which are their property.
Think of this: Is is wrong for a movie theater to "discriminate" against patrons who bring floodlights into screening rooms?
Let's continue with the news story.
Like Mad River, Deer Valley said its guests are looking for a ski-only experience.
Snowboarders have options at other resorts, said Coleen Reardon, director of marketing.
"They (skiers) feel that snowboarders ride the mountain differently than skiers ski it, and that they'd feel a little safer," she said.
The few times that snowboarders do poach: "We tell them snowboarders aren't allowed and help them off the mountain," she said.
Here's a business that is attentive to the wants of its customers. For various reasons, some skiers don't like to be around snowboards. You or I may think that's a foolishness, but then again, there's no accounting for taste.
Back to the story:
But that's discriminatory, says Burton.
"Just like you want to be able to walk into any restaurant and eat. You want to go to any resort and ride," he said.
Burton is no stranger to poaching. He and his wife were hele-boarding in Utah a few years ago when they were dropped off at the top of Alta.
"We were screamed at," he said of the ride down.
A few points. One, the restaurant analogy is absurd. A better analogy would be this: You walk into a restaurant with your own food and portable stove and demand a table. The restaurant refuses. Are they being "discriminatory?" Yes, and rightly so.
It's too bad that Mr. Burton and his wife were screamed at. People can be such idiots. But then again, should customers of a business who expect one service be happy when an outsider comes in to disrupt their experience? Say Mr. Burton and his wife are having dinner at a fancy restaurant. Would he be thrilled if a bunch of guys came in, set up a couple of kegs at the next table, and started throwing bones from chicken wings down at the floor?
Such silly thinking may not be unique to Burton, and any company that was the market leader in snowboarding goods would face incentives to spout nonsense about being unjustly discriminated against.
Even so, I try to avoid buying Burton goods whenever I can. Unfortunately, sometimes it's rather hard to find substitutes, especially if you're pressed for time and need to stop in a retail outlet rather than wait for a mail-order product to arrive. So at times I contribute to the fortunes to a company that makes riders look silly and morally confused. But thinking back on this last season has given me more reason to consider planning ahead and finding alternatives.